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Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Eve Nielsen — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:53:41 -0000

Good point.

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Marcus — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:44:28 -0000

I don't think it's a matter of taking something back. Instead, we just remind ourselves and those around us what we've been given.

For example, we can say that God provides intimacy in certain ways. Here is what healthy, godly intimacy looks like.

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Eve Nielsen — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:13:27 -0000

True. The enemy takes all that he can get his hands on and tries to pervert it. The things in themselves are not wrong. He wants to destroy God's good creations.

I'm just wondering what kind of thing we can actually take back.

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Marcus — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:56:28 -0000

Eve, I'm not sure I was being very clear.

The enemy's tactic is perversion. He persuades people by tapping into needs that all people feel--the desire for intimacy being the need under discussion. Then he perverts these needs.

All humans have a God-given and healthy need for intimacy.

Pornography is an evil perversion of intimacy. However, it is the human need for intimacy that makes pornography attractive, not its perversion.

I'm not comfortable saying I won't go near anything the enemy touches, though. It is the enemy's touch that I don't want to go near. When he touches intimacy, it becomes pornography. But that doesn't mean I can't touch intimacy. I need it.

All people do.

So why did I use "breast" in the title? Partly because I still have this middle school boy outlook sometimes. I figured listing "breasts" alongside "theology" was kind of funny. And the fact that I put theology first would prevent people from expecting perversion. (Unless they pervert everything in their mind anyway.)

Breasts themselves are not perverted. Talking about breasts is not perversion. Talking about intimacy and human sexuality is not perversion. I would even say that sensual writing (not erotica, not pornography) in Christian fiction is not necessarily perversion.

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Eve Nielsen — Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:27:26 -0000

IThess. 5:22 does admonish us, though, "Abstain from all appearance of evil."

The question then is, does this fall under that category?

I'd be a little leary to use the enemies tactics to lure people to the good. I wouldn't want to go near anything he's touched.

Not saying that any anatomy is wrong-but how it's used could be and often is.

This whole topic reminds me of seeker-friendly churches. The whole thrust here is similar-to make the church as comfortable and inviting for sinners as possible, in order that many would enter the church doors.

The problem (s) with this is that we are not called to do this, but to GO and preach the gospel (itself an uncomfortable message to most). Go Evangelism has a bit more on this topic.

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Marcus — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:15:48 -0000

Good analogy. The adversary fishes for our souls. And Christians fish for souls too.

Does that mean the bait he uses is off limits?

Obviously, he will twist a lot of the bait until it is perverse. Perversion is off limits for sure. But can we as Christians appeal to the same felt needs of our audience without resorting to perversion?

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Craver-VII — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:00:45 -0000

Good question. Iâ€™ll bet that you could get a variety of volleying between proponents of visceral and virtuous views (Oops, did I just make a wager?)

And a thought. The adversary of our souls has been fishing for thousands of years. While this cunning one has been perfecting his technique, I doubt that he needs to carry many different lures in his tackle box.

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Marcus — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:39:11 -0000

So am I sick and wrong for being playfully off-color with my title ... and the wager?

I know that's not what you are saying, but what I'm really asking is this: To what degree in marketing our blogs (and books and what have you) can we tap into the, um, visceral and instinctive impulses that are common to all people? Or in this case, all men?

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Craver-VII — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:06:58 -0000

Hmmm... a wager where the topic has something to do with feminine endowments? Something tells me I better pass on this one. Nevertheless, I am convinced (sadly so) that the title temporarily boosted your traffic for the wrong reason.

I wish we men were not so sick and wrong.

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Marcus — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:56:13 -0000

Craver, that's a good reminder. I need to start doing that. I'm started logging the traffic a few months ago, but I haven't done any data analysis yet.

I need to!

So... what's your guess? Should we place bets or something--non-binding, non-gambling kinds of gentlemen's wagers are what I mean, naturally.

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Craver-VII — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:25:37 -0000

I'm curious. Do you check traffic on this blog? I wonder whether the title of this post impacted the number of casusal visitors.

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Marcus — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:38:29 -0000

L.L., Hattie Big Sky, huh? Looks like a book for me to read to my daughter! We are finishing up one of the American Girl book series right now, but she loves historical fiction.

According to JacketFlap.com, it's the #16 seller in its imprint.

And what's this? It reminded you of my novel!? Sigh. I shelved it for awhile. Long, sad story.

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

L.L. Barkat — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:48:02 -0000

Was thinking of you yesterday when I picked up a non-fantasy young adult fiction book (Hattie Big Sky... I picked it up because I couldn't believe I was seeing artwork I'd just seen on my cousin-in-law's web portfolio!)

Anyway, it's quite redemptive (so far) and even mentions praying to God, but it's not with a Christian publisher. The writing is excellent, especially the dialog (I think it reminded me of your novel in this way, which is why I started thinking of you!)

Anyhow, a very non-related, off-topic comment, just 'cause I wanted to say it.

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Eve Nielsen — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:17:48 -0000

Ahhh! So glad I have an editor as a friend :)

I wasn't offended-it just wasn't your typical post title *grin*

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Marcus — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:38:51 -0000

Julia, I adore science fiction and fantasy--and I'm right there with you.

Here's a big confession. I'm hesitant to pick up any Christian fiction at all. It's a kind of damaged brand in my mind--shooting for a target audience of middle-aged mothers who have very different reading interests than I do.

But I am hoping the days of Christian harlequin are ending. Certainly there are a lot of people who want to see those days end!

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Marcus — Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:36:26 -0000

Eve, laughing evilly (2 Ls just like our friend Barkat) and causing trouble, as usual. : )

Rebecca, if you are out there let us know how you did your blog! It's really neat.

About the title. I'm not above a little bit of innocent shock value. (I mean, I meant it to be innocent. If someone was offended, I guess it backfired.)

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Julia — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:38:25 -0000

I'm still working out the words "Christian fantasy novel" and how that could possibly mean quality fiction. I'm buried in old bias. But now that I see a good recommendation I will keep my eyes open.

Re: CSFF Day 2 - Theology, Breasts, and Riding Bicycles

Eve Nielsen — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:29:58 -0000

Mark, thanks for the link and the blurb (and I made it to the top of the list *snicker*). Ooops, did I open a whole new can of worms? *laughing evilly*-(is that 1 "L" or 2???)

I really was impressed with Rebecca G.'s blog too (I wonder how she did that....)

I have to say, though, the title for this post really caught me off guard, lol.